Non-binary genders make no sense unless you accept that gender stereotypes, roles and the like are real and should be so. Non-binary genders, therefore, enforce gender roles.
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**Edit** I think we are done here. Thanks, everyone. <3 **Edit2** I'm disabling inbox replies for this thread, as I'm getting so many of them still. My view has been changed. Once again, thank you.
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Non-binary genders make no sense unless you accept that gender stereotypes, roles and the like are real and should be so. Non-binary genders, therefore, enforce gender roles.

by Jan_Q

**Edit** I think we are done here. Thanks, everyone. <3

**Edit2** I'm disabling inbox replies for this thread, as I'm getting so many of them still. My view has been changed. Once again, thank you.

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I'll start this off with some context about myself and my views on things related to this, as I believe they will be important to this, along with the reason I want to change my view on this.

I'm 16 and I identify as a transgirl, as that is what I feel like is the best match for me.

I don't group transgender identities with non-binary ones because I see transgender being at its core about the body, while non-binary identities are mostly social.

My view on gender roles (stereotypes, expectations, roles and whatever else will be grouped into one to save time) is that they should not exist,

as they limit people based on something they can't change (again to save time, transgender is purely physical, ignoring the social factor since it differs between trans people).

So the argument about gender roles in-fact being real after all is irrelevant.

The reason I want to change my view is that because of my identity, I'm affiliated a lot with the LGBT+ community.

Naturally, there are a lot of non-binary people there, and I feel like by seeing their identity is invalid makes me no better than the people invalidating homosexuality or trans people.

That is why I'm here to try and change my view.

**The argument**

To get to the bottom of this we need to divide non-binary identities into two groups: "third-genders" (people saying they are not men or women but instead a whole new gender.

These are a lot rarer I find) and "non-genders" (This includes agender, meaning lack of gender, and fluid & bi-genders,

feeling both man and woman at the same time or one or the other from time to time. Also people simply saying they are non-binary).

The argument for "third-genders" is easier. They don't have any physical standard. They are purely based on behavior.

Defining gender by behavior (let's say that it includes clothing, interests etc.) is what creates a stereotype for it.

Creating genders purely based on behavior is essentially just another box which to shove people into based on their personality.

I don't see what's preventing someone from telling a person, who let's say is gender A, that they aren't behaving like gender A.

That they are behaving more like gender C, and that means they either need to start behaving like gender A or otherwise they are gender C. I hope this isn't too confusing.

For "non-genders" it's different. They are also, as I see it, based on behavior in a way. It's the lack of gender stereotypical behavior.

But it also assumes that gender stereotypes are real and should be that way.

My argument against "non-genders" isn't as solid, but I still do deeply fail to understand them, and why they exist, unless gender roles are in place.

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I feel like I've already offended enough non-binary people by completely misunderstanding the whole thing, so go ahead. Change My View.

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